Noun that-clause

[MikeNewYork]

"Come" is the past participle, and that is what you needed.

"I told 'that she hasn't came' to you.(prepositional structure)"

That is a ridiculous "sentence".

 

[Osbri]

"I told 'that she hasn't came' to you.(prepositional structure)"

That is a ridiculous "sentence".

It's probably a ridiculous sentence but I understand it. It's almost what Matthew's sentences show but his has pronouns in it.

 

[MikeNewYork]

The bottom line in English is not what you understand, It is what most people understand.

 

[Osbri]

You called it ridiculous but you probably understood it and other people will probably understand it and I think Matthew explained it more understandable.

 

[tkacka15]

'Someone told something to someone else.'

I'd parse it this way:

Someone - the subject; told - predicator; something - object; to someone else - adverbial.

 

[Matthew Wai]

You called it ridiculous but you probably understood it and other people will probably understand it and I think Matthew explained it more understandable.

The following is my perceived meaning. Please tell me whether it is ridiculous.
'She hasn't come, and I told that to you before.'

Someone - the subject; told - predicator; something - object; to someone else - adverbial.

I think they are the subject, the main verb, the direct object, and an adverbial prepositional phrase respectively.

 

[Osbri]

The following is my perceived meaning. Please tell me whether it is ridiculous.
'She hasn't come, and I told that to you before.'

That sounds right to me. What do you think?

 

[emsr2d2]

Regardless of the parsing, I find "I told that to you before" unnatural. In BrE, it would generally be "I told you that before".

 

[Osbri]

But do you think it's incorrect?

 

[Matthew Wai]

That sounds right to me. What do you think?

I think it is grammatical.

 

[MikeNewYork]

But you will rarely hear it from a NES.

 

[Matthew Wai]

But does it make sense, or is it ridiculous as you said before?

 

[MikeNewYork]

The sentence that I characterized as "ridiculous" was "I told 'that she hasn't came' to you.(prepositional structure)".

 

[Tarheel]

Regardless of the parsing, I find "I told that to you before" unnatural. In BrE, it would generally be "I told you that before".

Same in AmE.

 

[Osbri]

It might not be heard or said but if it's grammatical, you should/can say it if you want to and people will probably understand.

 

[MikeNewYork]

Why are you stuck on that construction?

 

[Osbri]

Because you and some think it shouldn't be said or it's incorrect/ungrammatical when I think it isn't and I said that will probably help you when you want to know whether a that-clause is a noun clause. Why do you keep thinking it's wrong?

 

[MikeNewYork]

Because it is wrong.

 

[Osbri]

I think you should say "because I think it's wrong" and I think "I told you that" and "I told that to you" are the same. I think they have the same meaning. I've never heard someone say that they have a different meaning or that it is wrong.

 

[Matthew Wai]

On this forum, a grammatically understandable sentence is considered wrong as long as it is unnatural.