Oh, how convenient a logic here is! Your logic is, as my question was vague at the beginning, it must be still vague until now. A remarkable reasoning.
As they have been discussing my question, they still didn't even know my 'point'? I would not hint that if I were you. The joke is more on them than on me.
Those readers who are before you haven't missed the point, which is about the future time, rather than the future action.
This extremely illogical riposte is stunning. When a student asks "How do we use Simple Present tense?", you may award to him or her the same wisdom, "You obviously have an idea of what the Simple Present tense is, and unless you ask the right question that can be answered, how can people understand what you mean. You ask in Simple Present tense, how comes you don't know the Simple Present tense?"
incognittum said:Would you like to chat through an instant messanger?
incognittum said:Things do happen in the future,.....
So, your chatting messenger should be connected to Tdol's.tdol said:However, having been through and seen this argument time and time again, I think of it as more a question of faith\belief, rather than logic.
Have seen the private message. If the definition is correct, it must be very short and instant. Embarrassed, I don't know how to use what-you-called instant messenger and I am an old dog that fails new trick.
If we combine (1) and (2) above, the conclusion can be the future time is overlapped with the present time, actually seamlessly. In other words, as can be said, future time and present time are the same. You cannot separate future time completely from the present time.
That is to say, whatever the time, whether it is future or present is grammatically up to our choice. Isn't "today" itself compatible with the Future Tense, as in the following example?
Ex: Today will be a rainy day.
Even a present action can be described in Future Tense:
Ex: John will be in his office now.
If the action is certain, however, even a so-called future action is described in present tenses, Simple Present or Present Progressive:
Ex: We go to Europe tomorrow/next weekend.
How on earth can anyone discuss with a message with so many "Maybe"? You have done nothing but supporting my example is expressing an uncertainty.incognittum said:Maybe The Future Tense is described in present action? If he is going to be in his office then how can he be there right this instant. Maybe the sentence is formed incorrectly, or "now" is refering to a certain amount of time as in a minute. He will be coming within this minute which would be considered as present time "now", not The Present Tense.
What you have said here is exactly what I meant. So, what is the point in describing the details of my example?incognittum said:Today already happened, because you use the sentence while you exist within this time, that is "today", therefore it is the present time as the whole part that you're refering to. It will not rain constantly within this day, because if it did you can't write the sentence like that.
Wrong conclusion. A tense is a form that happens only to the verb, here "will be", not "will be a rainy day".incognittum said:To conclude, "will be a rainy day" is part of Future Tense...
Are you telling me, you don't agree to my conclusion that the present is overlapped with the future?incognittum said:Also, if you refer to present time as being 1,000 years, anything beyond that is future time.
Those who embrace such supposition as yours can never explain why Yesterday is past time, because they don't know how one is aware of time. They think one has no present time in oneself, so one would "refer to present time as" out there.incognittum said:Also, if you refer to present time as being 1,000 years, anything beyond that is future time.
The more I read, the more I am sure you don't know what is tense. The word "Tense" comes from Latin 'tempus', meaning time. So, Future Tense is not "an action". You believe wrong.incognittum said:I believe Future Tense, an action, can be within present time, it depends to what and how big a part of time you are referring to; a week or a month.
Do you really believe this yourself? "Today" is not the 'day'?incognittum said:So, here we are refering to an action that is part of a different time and will happen at some point during the "day". I am talking about a 'day' and not "today". It does not have to rain constantly to be classified as a rainy day. "Today" we would refer to a specific time, a big part of time, and an action like rain could happen during the day time, anytime. Today is 24 hours and a day can be from dawn till dusk.
muaz said:Because my teacher says that we can use present tense for future too.
for instance: " I am going to fly tomorrow."
It is in present tense but about future.
incognittum said:Also, if you refer to present time as being 1,000 years, anything beyond that is future time.
muaz said:Because my teacher says that we can use present tense for future too.
for instance: " I am going to fly tomorrow."
It is in present tense but about future.
How on earth can anyone discuss with a message with so many "Maybe"? You have done nothing but supporting my example is expressing an uncertainty.
Those who embrace such supposition as yours can never explain why Yesterday is past time, because they don't know how one is aware of time. They think one has no present time in oneself, so one would "refer to present time as" out there.
I believe Future Tense, an action, can be within present time, it depends to what and how big a part of time you are referring to; a week or a month.
The more I read, the more I am sure you don't know what is tense. The word "Tense" comes from Latin 'tempus', meaning time. So, Future Tense is not "an action". You believe wrong.
Do you really believe this yourself? "Today" is not the 'day'?
If I say "John is a strange guy", would you say in a similar way that there is John and there is a guy that is strange?
Are you telling me, you don't agree to my conclusion that the present is overlapped with the future?
Now you added:incognittum said:Also, if you refer to present time as being 1,000 years, anything beyond that is future time.
incognittum said:It depends on the individual how he sees the present time. If I refer to these 1,000 years as the time I was waiting for I could say it is the present time. Time can be anything; a minute, an hour or a day. It is up to me to decide how big of a piece of time I am refering to.
What a mess about the basic terms we have here.incognittum said:...verb that indicates the time, such as past, present, or future, as well as whether the action or state is continued or completed.
Tense specifies whether the verb refers to action in the past, present, or future...
Then I think your explanation allows that, in "John is a strange guy", John and 'guy' refer to different persons not that they are different.incognittum said:I think I tried to explain that "today" and 'day' refer to different times not that they are different.
So, you don't disagree.incognittum said:If future time can exist within present, as in; in two hours it will be future time and that happens within the day that someone would clasify as present then that would overlap if it can be put that way.
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