[Grammar] Usage of "Need" and "Dare" with Bare Infinitive.

[shahjehansoomro]

We always use bare infinitive with "Need" and "Dare" sentences or not. Please correct following sentences.

1. You need earn money.
or
you need to earn money.

2. She dares come here.
or
She dares to come here.

 

[Matthew Wai]

She dares come here.

There should be no "s" if "dare" is used as an auxiliary verb.

Not a teacher.

 

[shahjehansoomro]

you mean to say we use "dare" with he , she..etc ok
and what about "to" , we should use bare infinitive always or we can use full infinitive"to" with need and dare sentences. which are the correct sentences.
please correct following sentences:

1. You need earn money.
or
you need to earn money.

2. She dare come here.
or
She dare to come here.

 

[Raymott]

There should be no "s" if "dare" is used as an auxiliary verb.

No, if you're going to write "She dares to come here", you need the 's'.

 

[Raymott]

W
1. You need earn money. No
or
You need to earn money. Yes

2. She dares come here. No
or
She dares to come here. Yes

That is how I would use the words (and it's correct).
Also: "She needs to earn money" and "I dare to come here." It's also possible to say "I dare come here".
"Dare" is used slightly differently in different places, I think. But the above is correct for Australian English.

 

[Matthew Wai]

No, if you're going to write "She dares to come here", you need the 's'.

But "dares" is a verb here. What I said is that the auxiliary verb should not have an "s", am I wrong?

 

[Barb_D]

I do see "need" used with the negative.
You need not worry about that.
He need not be concerned about the outcome.

But it's not common in the US. We'd say "You don't need to worry" or "He doesn't need to be concerned" more often.

 

[Raymott]

But "dares" is a verb here. What I said is that the auxiliary verb should not have an "s", am I wrong?

Interesting question.
"She dares do it" is not a proper sentence, as you say, but neither is "She dare do it". If you want to say that, you have to say "She dares to do it", and that is not a modal use.
As Quirk (1985, 3.42) says, "The modal construction [of dare and need] is restricted to nonassertive contexts, ie. mainly negative and interrogative sentences." So, there is no modal way to express the above affirmative sentence.

 

[Matthew Wai]

"She dares do it" is not a proper sentence, as you say, but neither is "She dare do it".

"He dare not mention the subject again."── quoted from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dare
Is it a proper sentence?

 

[Raymott]

"He dare not mention the subject again."── quoted from http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dare
Is it a proper sentence?

Yes, but that's a negative statement which, as I stated above, is possible.
"He dare mention the subject again" is not possible.

 

[shahjehansoomro]

So it has been decided that sentences like "Need" and "Dare" are only used in negative and interrogative sentences given below:

1. He need not earn money.
or
He doesn't need to earn money.

2. She dare not come here.
or
She doesn't dare to come here.

 

[MikeNewYork]

"Need" and "Dare" are not sentences.

Your sentences are correct, but none of them is interrogative.

 

[Matthew Wai]

The Longman dictionary reads "dare (to) do something" which leads readers including me to think that affirmative sentences are possible and "to" is optional.

Not a teacher.

 

[Tdol]

Affirmative sentences are not impossible, but it's not simply an option.

 

[shahjehansoomro]

Yes I found more information about Need and Dare, that the usage of need and dare can be used as ordinary verbs and some times modal as below:
She needs to come here (Ordinary verb)
She does not need to come here
She need come here (Modal usage)
She need not come here (Formal English)

 

[Raymott]

Yes I found more information about Need and Dare, that the usage of need and dare can be used as ordinary verbs and some times modal as below:

You'll probably want to tell us where you found the sentence "She need come here".
I have quoted a grammarian as saying that this is not used. What is your source?