The Apollo restaurant, 23rd and 9th.

[atabitaraf]

In Frankie and Johnnie, the Al Pacino's film, there is a dialogue, addressing their cafe, they say: "
The Apollo restaurant, 23rd and 9th." I couldn't understand how a unique store could have two streets, 23rd and 9th, in its address.

 

[MikeNewYork]

This is common in New York City. It could mean it is on the corner of 23rd Street and Ninth Avenue or close to that corner.

 

[emsr2d2]

The red marker is at "23rd and 9th".

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/previ...=uk&ei=vorFU4fDBqXe7Abi5YCYCg&ved=0CCEQ8gEwAA

 

[atabitaraf]

The first one always goes for a street and the second for an avenue? (I think it is necessary because without this rule we couldn't find where the address is.) Am I right?

 

[Barb_D]

No, you can give the two roads in either order. They only cross in on place. That's how you know where it is.

You may also hear something like "On Chestnut between 8th and 9th" if it is not right on the corner where Chestnut and 8th cross.

 

[SoothingDave]

The first one always goes for a street and the second for an avenue? (I think it is necessary because without this rule we couldn't find where the address is.) Am I right?

This is the convention in New York City, but it is not universal.

 

[atabitaraf]

No, you can give the two roads in either order. They only cross in on place. That's how you know where it is.

There could be two crosses: 8th and 9th; and 9th and 8th.

You may also hear something like "On Chestnut between 8th and 9th" if it is not right on the corner where Chestnut and 8th cross.

What does Chestnut mean? I couldn't find out what you mean. Are there three streets: Chestnut, 8th, and 9th?

 

[MikeNewYork]

"Chestnut" is a street name.

 

[lotus888]

Usually, the first street name is where the actual address reside. Suppose it is 1289 Chestnut, near the corner of Main.

If we want to give an approximate location, we just say "I live on Chestnut and Main."

Very few houses are exactly on the corner.

In your example, the restaurant is probably on (West) 23rd Street, near the corner of 9th Avenue.

The order has nothing to do with whether it is a street or an avenue.

If it is exactly on the corner, we still commonly use the actual location street name first.




--lotus

 

[MikeNewYork]

For New York City, that is not correct. It could just as easily be on 9th Avenue near 23rd street.

 

[lotus888]

I think it's a matter of local practice. My friend lives on Santiago and 38th Avenue. When I say that, it is commonly understood that he lives somewhere on Santiago near 38th Avenue.


--lotus

 

[riquecohen]

In some neighborhoods in NYC, you can have an address like 32-52 37th Street. To avoid confusion, you would have to say that it's located on 37th Street, between 32nd and 33rd Avenues.

 

[MikeNewYork]

It is very confusing in Manhattan. 1111 First avenue is on the corner of 62nd Street and First avenue. 1111 Second Avenue is near 59th Street. 1111 Third Avenue is between 65th and 66th Street.

 

[SoothingDave]

In Pittsburgh 6th Avenue and 5th Avenue intersect. Strange things happen when you put a grid on a triangle-shaped piece of land.

 

[riquecohen]

And in Manhattan, West 4th Street crosses West 12th Street