seemed to have avoided/had seemed to avoid

[Dominik92]

Hello all

1) To this point in time, California seemed to have avoided, that is, appears to have avoided in the days that have now passed, many of the worst examples. It looks back on the past days.
2) To this point in time, California had seemed to avoid, that is, appears to have avoided in the days that have now passed, many of the worst examples. It looks back on the past days.

What's the difference between these two? Are these two ways of expressing exactly the same idea? If no, what is the difference between the two?

Also:

I don't think it would be idiomatic/correct to say "California had seemed to have avoided..." in any context, wouldn't it?

However, I wonder whether or not it would be acceptable to use "California had seemed to be avoiding..." in any context?

Will appreciate any help, thank you!

 

[SoothingDave]

There's no difference in meaning.

 

[englishwithcraig]

Hello all

1) To this point in time, California seemed to have avoided, that is, appears to have avoided in the days that have now passed, many of the worst examples. It looks back on the past days.
2) To this point in time, California had seemed to avoid, that is, appears to have avoided in the days that have now passed, many of the worst examples. It looks back on the past days.

What's the difference between these two? Are these two ways of expressing exactly the same idea? If no, what is the difference between the two?

Also:

I don't think it would be idiomatic/correct to say "California had seemed to have avoided..." in any context, wouldn't it?

However, I wonder whether or not it would be acceptable to use "California had seemed to be avoiding..." in any context?

Will appreciate any help, thank you!

As stated by Dave, those sentences have the same meaning, and if I may i'd like to offer a more natural sounding sentence Is this for an essay?

1) Up until this point in time / Up until now, California seems to have avoided many of the worst examples.

I used present perfect (seems to have avoided) because California has avoided problems up until now. So it started in the past and it continues Hope that helps!

 

[teechar]

Dominik92, where did you get those sentences?

 

[Dominik92]

I am terribly sorry. Even though I checked it, I messed up the sentences. It was supposed to be:

1) Until recently, with Arnold Shwarzenegger serving as the Republican governor, California seemed to have avoided many of the worst examples of nanny- stateism inflicted on, say, Britain and remains more laid back.

2) Until recently, with Arnold Shwarzenegger serving as the Republican governor, California had seemed to avoid many of the worst examples of nanny- stateism inflicted on, say, Britain and remains more laid back.

Would these be correct and interchangeable? Thank you

 

[5jj]

We'd still like to know where you found these sentences.