aggiesteph
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Dear teachers,
I would like to share the problem I encounter with pre-intermediate/intermediate adult learners. Maybe some of you have similar experiences and could share ideas how to overcome it.
Every now and then I get a an adult student, with some prior knowledge of English, who comes to me because he/she wants to "learn more". Usually this kind of student has had some experience using English abroad, knows the basic vocabulary necessary to convey what they mean. However, their speech (and writing) is marred by lots of mistakes. On the one hand they are aware of the tenses but they only use the simple present tense for everything (past, future, conditionals) or they mix all of them and end up using past for future or the other way around. They also usually hardly ever pay attention to the pronunciation, e.g. ignoring the distinction between short and long vowels, as well as the existence of "th", and often end up saying a completely different word, or sometimes even a swear word. Of course they ARE able to communicate, there's no doubt about that, but this communication is highly reliant on miming, hand gestures, as well as a lot of effort and guesswork on the part of the listener. Here I'd like to add that I only have this problem with the students who first come to me with some experience in using English, I've never had this problem with an adult learner whom I started teaching at the elementary level.
I know that everybody makes mistakes, and I'm not trying to make their speech absolutely spotless, but to me the natural direction from this point is to try to make their speech more precise, with fewer errors. Of course I could just keep teaching them more advanced vocabulary but I don't really see a point getting them to use words like e.g convenient or sophisticated if they don't make the distinction between "What do you do?" and "What are you doing?". Of course, there is nothing wrong with expanding your vocabulary but then we get a student who is highly competent in passive skills, namely reading, while his/her communicative abilities are rather basic.
And here I usually hit a wall, because my students want to learn more but they don't want to learn "grammar", because as they say "it's not important for communicating". To some extent I agree, because without any doubt it is possible to communicate without using some more complex structures, but it will always be just basic communicative level. Still, I don’t see how they could improve their English without getting them to correct at least some of the mistakes.
In a perfect world I would be able to meet with the student every or every other day, and just talk a lot, listen to things, read in English, in a nutshell, get them immersed in the language, and I’m sure they would eventually pick up the whole expressions and start using them more correctly. But the reality is that it is usually one hour a week, an hour and a half if lucky. I during the lesson I try to focus on one aspect e.g how to talk about an event from the past and we practice it using some speaking exercise or a language game, and they get some exercises for homework to work on it on their own. They always get a set a vocabulary from the lesson to learn using an online app, and we always have a short quiz on it in the next class. Still, one student keeps telling me that she doesn’t like it because now she has to think what to say instead of just speaking, and that she doesn’t see a point practicing “grammar”, and that it discourages her from learning.
What do you think? Has anybody had any experience with such students? How to help them improve their English and keep them motivated? I’d be really grateful for some thoughts.
I would like to share the problem I encounter with pre-intermediate/intermediate adult learners. Maybe some of you have similar experiences and could share ideas how to overcome it.
Every now and then I get a an adult student, with some prior knowledge of English, who comes to me because he/she wants to "learn more". Usually this kind of student has had some experience using English abroad, knows the basic vocabulary necessary to convey what they mean. However, their speech (and writing) is marred by lots of mistakes. On the one hand they are aware of the tenses but they only use the simple present tense for everything (past, future, conditionals) or they mix all of them and end up using past for future or the other way around. They also usually hardly ever pay attention to the pronunciation, e.g. ignoring the distinction between short and long vowels, as well as the existence of "th", and often end up saying a completely different word, or sometimes even a swear word. Of course they ARE able to communicate, there's no doubt about that, but this communication is highly reliant on miming, hand gestures, as well as a lot of effort and guesswork on the part of the listener. Here I'd like to add that I only have this problem with the students who first come to me with some experience in using English, I've never had this problem with an adult learner whom I started teaching at the elementary level.
I know that everybody makes mistakes, and I'm not trying to make their speech absolutely spotless, but to me the natural direction from this point is to try to make their speech more precise, with fewer errors. Of course I could just keep teaching them more advanced vocabulary but I don't really see a point getting them to use words like e.g convenient or sophisticated if they don't make the distinction between "What do you do?" and "What are you doing?". Of course, there is nothing wrong with expanding your vocabulary but then we get a student who is highly competent in passive skills, namely reading, while his/her communicative abilities are rather basic.
And here I usually hit a wall, because my students want to learn more but they don't want to learn "grammar", because as they say "it's not important for communicating". To some extent I agree, because without any doubt it is possible to communicate without using some more complex structures, but it will always be just basic communicative level. Still, I don’t see how they could improve their English without getting them to correct at least some of the mistakes.
In a perfect world I would be able to meet with the student every or every other day, and just talk a lot, listen to things, read in English, in a nutshell, get them immersed in the language, and I’m sure they would eventually pick up the whole expressions and start using them more correctly. But the reality is that it is usually one hour a week, an hour and a half if lucky. I during the lesson I try to focus on one aspect e.g how to talk about an event from the past and we practice it using some speaking exercise or a language game, and they get some exercises for homework to work on it on their own. They always get a set a vocabulary from the lesson to learn using an online app, and we always have a short quiz on it in the next class. Still, one student keeps telling me that she doesn’t like it because now she has to think what to say instead of just speaking, and that she doesn’t see a point practicing “grammar”, and that it discourages her from learning.
What do you think? Has anybody had any experience with such students? How to help them improve their English and keep them motivated? I’d be really grateful for some thoughts.
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