A pint of lager

[svetlana14]

Dear All,

Please listen to the beginning of the video below. It seems to me that the speak is saying "a pint of lager" in the way that "of" is dropped. Am I right? Thank you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruD-pntoBE

 

[GoesStation]

It isn't dropped altogether. Pint of comes out sounding like "pine a", more or less, though the vowel in pine is a bit different from the one in pint.

 

[svetlana14]

Thank you. Does it mean that "of" is pronounced roughly like "a" in that case?

 

[Tdol]

Yes, it often is. Here, they're also using the glottal stop which makes the /t/ virtually silent. The glottal stop is common in some regions, especially London.

 

[svetlana14]

Yes, it often is. Here, they're also using the glottal stop which makes the /t/ virtually silent. The glottal stop is common in some regions, especially London.

Thank you. Please giveme some more exaple when "of" turns into "a" in fast speech. Thank you.

 

[GoesStation]

It can happen in lots of places:

I'm kinda angry.
He's not that kinda guy.
Wanna get a bucket-a chicken? ("Do you want to get a bucket of [fried] chicken?")
I'll have a cuppa coffee.

 

[Tdol]

Please give me some more examples when "of" turns into "a" in fast speech.

Pretty much anywhere- it is a common feature of fast speech.

 

[emsr2d2]

Get outta here.
Nine outta six.
I'll have a cuppa tea.
Have you got the four o' diamonds? (Sounds like "foura diamonds").

You will have stumbled across a very common example when telling the time. In "five o'clock", "o'clock" is a shortened form of "of the clock", so in that case "of the" is pronounced "uh".

 

[probus]

It isn't dropped altogether. Pint of comes out sounding like "pine a", more or less, though the vowel in pine is a bit different from the one in pint.

I agree that it isn't dropped entirely in this recording, but it could be without damaging the meaning. That schwa between "pint" and "lager" can be so slight as to almost vanish.

 

[Skrej]

This just goes to show one shouldn't rush through one's pints. Sip, don't quaff.

Take it slow, pronounce it carefully, and enjoy the taste. :cheers:

 

[svetlana14]

Thank you. Please giveme some more exaple when "of" turns into "a" in fast speech. Thank you.

Dear All,

Can youplease explain to me the following. Ifthere is a glottal stop t in “pint of lager”, I hear that “of” is alsovirtually silent. At least, I hearthis in that way /paɪnˈlɑːɡə/ . It is a little bit different from “a cuppatea” case where “cup” is joined by “of” to be cup + schwa. Thank you.

 

[GoesStation]

The forum's editor mangled your post. Can you edit it back into legibility?

This happens when you copy from another source like Word and paste into a post. You didn't do anything wrong; the forum editor software is buggy.

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

Thank you. Does it mean that "of" is pronounced roughly like "a" in that case?

We spell it "a pint o' lager."

The apostrophe shows that the F was dropped - like can't for cannot and rock 'n' roll for rock and roll.

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

Thank you. Please give me some more exaple when "of" turns into "a" in fast speech. Thank you.

Never! See my post above. It turns into o', not a.

A very common related mistake in written American English is to confuse the correct "would have" with the incorrect "would of": I would HAVE come if I'd been invited. (Many Americans write "I would OF come," which is wrong.

The correct contraction of "would have" is "would've" - again, using an apostrophe to show where letters were skipped. Very informally, it's often written "woulda," which shows how we actually speak.

 

[Tdol]

Sip, don't quaff.

Lager? :shock:

 

[Tdol]

You can get a schwa sound in after a glottal stop at the end of pint. Many drinkers in London do.

 

[svetlana14]

Thank you.

You're writing that "they're also using the glottal stop which makes the /t/ virtually silent." By writing this, do you mean that it is another way of pronounciation or the speaker uses the glottal stop which makes "of" in "a pint of lager" also silent? Thank you.

 

[Tdol]

You can use a glottal stop or /t/. However, even with the glottal stop it is possible to use the schwa after it- it is not necessarily negated by the glottal stop. It is an option.

 

[svetlana14]

You can use a glottal stop or /t/. However, even with the glottal stop it is possible to use the schwa after it- it is not necessarily negated by the glottal stop. It is an option.

I am a liitle bit confused about the episode https://youtu.be/LruD-pntoBE?t=30. I hear that they guy is saying so that "of" in the pint of lager is silent after the glottal stop in "pint". In other words, I hear "/pain lager/" (with no "t" and schwa as realisation in "of"). Thank you for your possible comments.

 

[Tdol]

He doesn't say the /t/, but he does use a schwa before Kronenbourg. The schwa is of.